WWGOA Fall 2023 Product Showcase

Ok. Hey folks, welcome to WWG A's Fall Showcase 2023. As always, I am so delighted to have my friend Paul in the shop. Paul's been a contributor to WW A for a long time. Tell the people at home a little bit about yourself and what you do and why are you here in my shop? Well, thank you for having me here in your shop. George. It's a lovely Fall day here in Wisconsin. Uh So I'm a um a writer for uh Woodworkers Guild of America. I've been doing that for quite a long time as you mentioned. I also do a lot of that question and answer stuff as questions come in for members. So keep those coming in. I love seeing those every day. Uh And I do some work on youtube as well, putting out uh woodworking videos there. And just so the folks at home know that you are a real woodworker. You're in the middle of a completely diy kitchen remodel literally as we speak. You're like building the island. I am, I'm building the island the last cabinet to be built. And uh and then I'll get into some other less woodworking related stuff. But yeah, it's been a, it's been a blast. I've learned a lot. So Paul's been up to his eyeballs on that project. So, for today, with our showcase, what we do is we bring in a number of tools and Paul and I are both tool geeks, self admittedly. And uh so what Paul and I will do is talk about those tools. You'll have an opportunity to ask questions. So I'll be monitoring my ipad as we go when we get to the tool. If you've got a question post, the question, if we don't get to it right away at the very end of this, we're going to end up right back in the spot. We're going to revisit questions that we didn't get to as we went through our tool list and we want to stick to questions that are germane to the tools that we're talking about. So this Q and A is not about general wooing Q and A. This is specifically about the products that we're looking at those other questions, send us an email. Now, Paul. Paul will be answering that Friday morning. Absolutely. All right. Ready for 201. I can't wait. That's it. I know we both agree. Forner bits are the way to go if you want to drill a precise, accurate, very clean hole in your material. And Bora's got a bunch of cool stuff going on with this forner bits. Yeah. Absolutely. The, the fact that it's made of forged steel, uh, makes it more durable, uh, keeps it sharp longer. Given that it's sharp, it's gonna, it's gonna produce less heat, less heat means it's going to stay sharp longer. So, a little snake eating its tail there is, uh, the longer it lasts, the longer it lasts. And, um, if you, if you've seen smoke coming off of drill bits, you're using them too long. So, one of the things, um, I just, I want to take a second here and let's run the lathe because I, the curls that come off of this are so impressive. And what we're doing here is we're punching a hole into end grain on cherry and I think in the world of demanding tasks, um, it's a little hard to beat, um, asking a lot of a fortune bit. We're getting shavings, not dust and, and very effortlessly as well and no smoke. So we have made a video about this product. Let's have a look at that video and then we'll come back and talk some more when it comes time to put holes in your woodworking projects. And you want clean holes that are an accurate size without question. Forester Bits are the way to do that. These Bora Forester bits are crazy. Cool. We've got a bunch of stuff going on here. There's a small and very distinct center point and that's a big deal with hitting your layout spot when you're ready to drill a hole. The other thing that's great about these is they're forged and that makes a much stronger than a lot of the carbon steel bits out there. That means that they're gonna last a lot longer, they're gonna hold their edge longer, which when you're going up against hardwoods in your projects, it's really, really, really gonna pay off. What we want to do next is use these to drill a couple of holes so you can really see how they work. Let's check this engine 38, spit into a cordless drill. I've got my layout marked. Take advantage of that center point, punching right into that hard maple center location marked, find where we need to be that nice center point. Now in a drill press, inch and a half cutter like butter, here's a good forner bit test cherry on a lathe going to punch a hole in that end. Grain, beautiful curls and smooth handheld drill drill press. Even that ingrain job on the lathe. These bits do an impressive job. So 10 and if you like, I'm having a quick look here to see if we have any questions on the Bora Forester bits. Nothing yet. What a great performance, great set of Forester bits. Um really did a great job doing a boring operation go that way. So this is a little unique for us, Paul in that you and I both have wood master tools in our shop. Indeed. And, um, we were just talking a second ago about, um, really the molding aspect of being a wood master owner. So give us a little, I don't know, give, give us a little molding talk. Well, I, I think from, um, you know, I, I love talking about my wood master probably, maybe more than any other tool because it has those, the four in one unique functions. But the one thing that it does that so let's hit on that a second if people don't know planar drum sander rip and the ability to make molding, right? And, and of those, I, I just feel like the molding component of that. There's really nothing else in this class that has that capability. You've got a good example here. Uh This would be a crown molding kind of a typical medium size, but you can do crown molding, huge width, old fashioned base molding. You can do log siding on it. That capability is just unheard of it. It, it's sort of unparalleled in its class and I use that. I've done crown molding in homes for friends. Uh I've done some in my own home. I've, I used it to make molding on many furniture projects. I love being able to not only use the same species of wood that I'm using for the furniture, but from the same tree, the same flinch that you get the perfect color match. It's really a unique capability and if you run into weird stuff, if you're using a material, you can't commercially buy in molding, you'd have the ability to make it. So you're, you're gonna see all this in a second. But, um, you can imagine what the inside of a planar looks like. We remove that and add this very molding head is what made that molding with that in place. We can make molding and when you look at this, the finish that's on that piece right now. There wasn't any sanding that was straight out of the machine. Yeah, very impressive. Well, let's show the folks at home how this gets done and have a look at the video about using this to make molding. One of the things that's so great about the wood master tools is their capability of doing so many different things. This is currently set up as a planar. We're gonna change that in just a second, but we can also make molding, we can rip material to width and we can turn it into a drum sander. So what we're gonna do now is change this from a planar to a molder and make some molding. Molding head is in and ready to go. I have a beautiful chunk of walnut we're gonna send through there. So let's see, plain flat wood get turned into cool molding. So there's a bunch of stuff that's great about this one. Just the satisfaction of making your own molding. Two monetizing, being able to make your own molding because molding is not inexpensive. So once you have this set up, you could certainly be selling moldings. The other thing is when you get a project that's in an unusual specie alder might be an example of that. Can you buy commercially made moldings in the specie in which you're working, if not, no sweat because you can make them. So lots of cool things about having the wood master and its capabilities as a molder. In addition to plan or sander, we can put the ripping blades in there. So a lot of great stuff going on with that wood master. One of the things like question that we get frequently is I'd like to make a little money on my woodworking and one of the answers we provide to that a lot as well. You know, you can make cutting boards for craft fairs, you can make pens for craft fairs. But, um, it goes back to what you were saying about this is that the ability to make and sell moldings and it's all under one roof here. You can, you can plan your rough on stock. You can rip the stock using that attachment. You can then put the molding head in there and run miles and miles and miles of molding. Um, and sell that as a way to monetize your show. I agree. And I think if you can get that business established that on an hourly basis. This would be likely one of the most profitable things you could do in your woodshop. It's a very cool idea. It's a lot of machine and a small, small footprint all under one roof. What, what I was gonna say, I was gonna say it never gets old but I can tell from your face that it does. So, um, hearing protection is so crazy important. There's like nothing in your shot virtually that doesn't exceed the safe level of decibels. Um And, and it is gonna blow your ears up. Well, it's true. And I think George a lot of people kind of put it off for a while thinking I'll deal with that later when it starts to be problem hearing loss, but hearing loss is a cumulative and irreversible. So being consistent. That's right. So it's right. So it's, it's so critical and that's one thing is, you know, I, I am really um uh stickler about that and that goes for me and anyone else who's in my shop, I really, really encourage him to, to use it. So we were just talking about decibels and noisy stuff in your shop. So for this video, I really like this a little bit of a science fair approach that we took to this, which is we measure the decibel level on a bunch of common stuff in the shop so that we could show you what that is and really amplify the importance see what I did there of uh wearing hearing protection. Let's check that out like no, I said that right. No. And with tools, let me thats why it remember that safe level for your hearing is 85. Let's look at some other examples. So we know that anything over 85 decibels starts to damage your hearing. All those numbers are over 85 decibels. Here's that router I showed you now in my ears right now. I've got iso tunes free aware. They're protecting me from the noise of the router. But when Ernie talks, I can hear him perfectly because they'll protect me from the loud router while letting the noise of the sound of someone's voice come through. It's a crazy cool feature on these. If you work in an environment where you need to be able to hear people talk to you, you can fine tune that setting so you can adjust it just right for the people that are around you to make sure you can. In fact, here now with is itunes products? Of course, we can Bluetooth connect to a device so you can listen to music, you can answer your phone. All that activity has maintained here with free, just what it sounds like completely wireless. So if you don't like the idea of a wire hanging around your neck when I'm blacksmithing, I don't like having the wire on my sweaty neck. So I prefer the free for that application with the isot tunes link. These are my go to when I'm running the chainsaw. Now, there's a lot going on with running the chainsaw. I'm moving around a lot. I'm handling a heavy saw. In that case, I really like the protection that comes from having the muff style of hearing protection rather than the in ear style of hearing protection. Incredibly, with these link, 50 hours of battery life, a headband has been added. So again, working outside, running the chainsaw, moving around a lot that headband adds a lot of comfort to these ear muffs. So with isot tunes, the technology just keeps moving forward and forward and forward. And it's really important that you understand, there's way more products than I'm showing you here and you can definitely evaluate your environment what your needs are and you can find an isot tunes product that's gonna gonna go along with those needs. But most importantly, put hearing protection on or in anytime you're running these noisy tools. So one of the things I wanna touch on, hit on again or some more is the aware function that if, if you're looking at isot products and it says isot toes aware what that means is that when this is in my ear, it's gonna take out anything that's gonna adversely affect my hearing. But if Paul says, let's go get a Gin and tonic or did I say that out loud? Um If Paul talks to me I can hear his voice but it's still gonna cut out anything that is gonna, that's gonna hurt my hearing. And I love that for an environment where you're working with other people. Um I was just talking to a bunch of shop teachers the other day and we were talking about is itunes product. And I said for you high school teachers, this is the one you need totally because you want to know when they're saying Mr Van Mr B. Good. You want to be aware, very aware of what's going on there. Um And the, and the array of product line we've seen that grow so much for isot from um the very simple in your ear with the, with the wire hanging around your neck stuff to the completely wireless stuff to the over the ear stuff and then the introduction of the Aware line. So there's, there's really literally something there for everybody. It's very cool. And I've seen that with the microphones where they can, where they can filter out. Yeah. And this and two microphones, I thought this is where you were going like on products like this where you can add a boom mic to get even better audio from your end if you're using this to get on the phone. So um it's worth you really, you really wanna dig down when you're looking at the product line and you'll find something that's right for you. I don't think we're gonna argue about the idea that it's hard to beat a Turban based HB LP system to get a really high quality finish. No doubt about it. It's absolutely the way to go. You've convinced me of that. I have started down that journey myself and I have found that the learning curve is not as steep as I thought it was. The results are dramatic and it's, it's a very impressive way to lay down a finish. And it's, you know, it's a little cliche except it's true that there's no faster way to ruin a project. You have many, many, many, many hours in than by doing a bad job of finishing. So true. Um You, you can just undo in minutes what you spent hours trying to make, right? So a couple things here. Um One of the things I really like about this Fuji system is with the turban on here and it's, you know, think of a dimmer switch on the light in your dining room. That's what's happening here. So using that I can control the speed of the turbine, which means as I'm spraying different fluids from Shellac, which is like water. You know, it's super, super thin up to latex paint, which is super, super thick. It gives me the control, I need to make sure I'm getting the air I need so that I can get a good that, that's a big differentiator and that level of control just across the system. Is really because it's you, you can never set it up the same for two different applications. Everything changes, temperature, humidity, the the the viscosity of the finish, everything changes. So you have the ability to dial it in as critical. Yeah, the controls here plus the controls on the gun. So we have broken this down a couple of steps further in the video. I love being able to spray my finishes because I get such a good finish from spraying my finishes and it also makes it so much easier to apply them. I'm a huge fan of the Fuji system. This is the Q five. So it's important to understand we're HV LP, high volume, low pressure. Also, this is a turbine that's providing the air to the gun. So we can compare that to a compressor, which is, we don't need a compressor. What I love about the turbine is it gives me clean air. I don't have to worry about any moisture or oil being in the air that the turbine provides. Additionally, it gives me really, really good control over being able to put on the perfect finish because of course, I, if I'm spraying Shellac or I'm spraying Lacquer or I'm spraying polyurethane, those are all variables that change the way I set everything up. So one of the things that's great about the Q five is that it's got a variable speed on it so I can do this, that's low and that's high. That changes it from 6.5 to 9.9 to 0.5 P. Si, so that lets you dial it in which is primarily based on the viscosity of what it is you're spraying. One of the things I didn't mention in my list of finishes was paint. Yes, you can spare spray paint with the system as well. I've done it a gazillion times. What's great about this unit is it runs really quietly and it's also got heat dissipation to it. So, um, quiet is great anytime you're running anything in your shop and that ability to drive heat away has many, many, many different positive effects on the unit and also on your ability to spray. So just to show you how well this works, I'm gonna get the gun set up with a finish and we are going to spray this really beautiful piece of quarter on white oak. I love the results. It is so great to be able to spray finishes, get that quality of finish and the control that we get from using the Q five. Well, George, we had a question come in about really what is HV LP. I know it stands for high volume, low pressure. That's the only kind of spray gun that I've used. Maybe you could compare it to other kinds of spray guns. So, yeah. HV. LP, like Paul said, high volume, low pressure and what that does is high volume. It gives us a lot of air flow but low pressure. So if you're running a compressor, you're probably running a spray gun. This is, um, I think 6.5 to 9.5 P si or something like that. It was in the video that you just watched, um, with a spray gun that's connected to an air compressor, you're gonna be running significantly higher than that. And one of the by-product, the, the most common by-product of that is lots and lots and lots of overspray. So the day that you spray lacquer on your bookshelf, um you're kind of also lacquering your table saw and your joiner, you know, any anything else that's in the space where that overspray might land. So the big gain for me when I switched from a conventional sprayer to the HB LP system was um significantly reducing overspray. Um I am not masking off or like laying plastic on anything else in my shop when I use the gun to spray like you just saw in the video. Um And then the other important point is with the turbine in this case, um the turbine is providing air rather than a compressor, providing air. So this is what we would call clean air. There's no humidity in this, there's no oil in this. So as a result, I'm not um pushing that stuff into my finish and adversely affecting seems like there would be a lot of cost savings with less over spray as well. That's, that's pretty expensive products going where you want the product. Yeah. Yeah. Um, because I'm so proud of it. I wanted to make sure that we talk about. We point out this is the finished white oak table, completely finished white oak table that you saw in that video. And a again, it's Paul and I talking about achieving a high quality finish when you get that low glancing, look across this, that nice mirror, like finish, very smooth, very consistent even mill across the board there. Literally. Um That's really what we're talking about with, with trying to hit a good quality finish. If you go to a furniture showroom and you see that kind of lustrous, just perfect sheen. That's fun to touch. That's how it's done. Very tactical. When's the last time you had a mullet boy, I was gonna say probably not gonna be a lot of mullet jokes between you and I been a long time here today, gone tomorrow. Um So a while ago, you saw us work with the mullet cyclone. This is an add on to a shot vacuum. And as I said, you've seen this before. I love this and I, I love her this um the boom arm is such a great addition to my sanding station here now to be clear. Um And you're gonna see it in a second. The boom can go with the cycle and the cyclone can go with your back. So this doesn't have to be on an independent standing sanding station like this. But reaching where you're working is a big deal. It's a great deal and you're right. Um You're a dust collection, aware. I, I've, yeah, I've done a lot of homework on it and I've done a lot of work in my shop to have a, a set up where I, my shop is attached to my home co couple of us in there have dust allergies. So it's really important to me to keep a AAA good clean air environment. Uh This is a neat innovation though because it lets you get dust collection to areas that you might just say I'm just not gonna bother you. Only one piece. Exactly, which always turns into one more and one more and this lets you get that dust collection into those awkward reach places where it would be hard to get to. And if you did the, the holes is I was getting tangled up on something. And so this is a really nice solution and I, you know, with the random orbit like we're connected to here. Um, that's one thing. I am a big belt sander user. I love my belt sander. But when you're running that and the corrugated hose, you know, I, I've got this smooth flow going and then that corrugated hose hangs up for a second. Um, suddenly my smooth flow, it means I just dive at a table top because it stalled me out. So having coming in from overhead like this is a big saving on that preventing that from happening. Um, and just general keeping it out of the way and it's so important with dust collection and allergies to remember that not being allergic today doesn't mean you won't be one year from now, five years from now, 10 years from now because it's a cumulative effect. So you really wanna protect your lungs from the get go so that you can still enjoy woodworking in, in the anytime in the future. Um So I'm trying to think of a boom joke that will take us to the video. But maybe I just say, let's watch the video. You've already seen me work with the mullet cyclone and what a great job that does. Now, I have added to it, the boom arm and this is amazing because it gives you the ability to articulate the arm and take it wherever you need dust collection. So here's how this goes. In this case, I've got it attached to the cyclone. You don't have to do it that way. There are a variety of different mounting styles. There's a T nut on here and that's currently holding that elbow in that position. So the way the articulation happens is when I loosen this, I can make a move and I can make a move and I can make a move. So you can see how easy it would be to get pick up here anywhere, depending on what kind of job you're doing that you wanna get dust collection on. So let me do a little set up here and I'm gonna show you just how well this works. In order to show you the effectiveness of the boom arm. I have got a maple spoon in my vice. I'm gonna use my grinder in order to carve that bowl out. So first thing I'm gonna do is I am not gonna use the boom as though you've never seen airborne dust before. But let's just look at a little compare and contrast all of that stuff flying around. Now with the articulating arm, I can bring this in, give ourselves a little vacuum. And now as a result of having the boom arm that dust is going here instead of here, you gotta love that. Here's another thing I really like about this set up. What I've done is move the boom arm to my bench with this mount. I can t this out to my shot vacuum and then I've still got all the advantages of the articulating arm. So whether I'm connected to a hose that brings it to my sander, like I've done in this case, or I can take the hose and off here and I could put that collection point back on. If I'm carving at this bench or whatever you're doing that you want dust collection on the other thing that's cool about this system is with its mobility, you could use this when you're turning on a lathe, there's a spot where you produce lots and lots and lots of dust and shavings. You could even use it under dry walling applications. Another incredibly dusty application for tools. So there's a lot of stuff you can do with the boom arm to make sure that you're picking up dust right at the source. What you think? I'm super impressed. It really is a, is a neat setup and it, it really just delivers the right airflow in the right place. You're articulating that. So well. Does that mean we're done here moving right along? So, Paul and I are both avid turners and have seen a lot of laths in our days. Um And Penn State has really jumped the fence on this one like the, this is one of these like really for me. So, um, tell people what's what's cook, it's called a tail spinner. So there's a little bit of a spoiler alert for people once you think about it. But um, what's going on here? Yeah, it's a total. Aha. In the world of wood turning where basically gives you the ability, well, in its essence, gives you the ability to s to attach its chuck onto the, onto the live center. Uh And, and that's gonna allow you to take the, the uh your workpiece, spin it around. Maintain perfect center which anyone who's ever tried to get something remounted knows that it's impossible. You just plan on in a little bit off, 0%. You're gonna, you're gonna lose something. That's your translation. So there's, there's that benefit, I think also the ability to, I use a vacuum chuck a lot and that gives you the ability to spin it around. Use the chuck on this end and slide that into the vacuum chuck perfectly centered and that's, that is impossible to do as well. So you're transferring it over. So the vacuum check is holding it, but it's giving you perfect Centricity as you do that. Yeah. So it's the gist of this is that it's not unusual for the tail stock and to spin. What's unusual is that the tail stack is spinning normally it's a live center. Um, but the bearings on this are here. So that's a one inch eight thread on there. You're gonna see more of this in a second. Um So we can put anything with a number two M taper. It can go in there anything with a one inch eight TP, I can go on there. So let's look at, um, it's gonna make more sense to you when we watch this video where I start here. Finish here. When I show you Penn State's new tails spinner, there's gonna be an opportunity to go mind blown. This is a complete rethink of a lathe. When we look at the tail stock. We're used to the idea that this cone will spin, it needs to because the head stock is driving something. But if you look closely what's happening here is that this cone is not on its own bearings, it's the tail stock that has bearings. So when I take this out, I have a lot of options here. This is a one inch eight TP I shaft. So I can put a check on here. I could put a spur center in here. I could put the cone that was just in here in here. So it changes the dynamic a lot because it's going to give me the opportunity to chuck reho move things around maintain center as I go from this end to this end, maintaining the mounting device. So what I'm going to do here is get set up with a bowl on the lathe in a completely different configuration than you're used to seeing. So here's what I've done. I've put my chuck on the tail stock end. Now it's spinning on those tail stock bearings. If you want to lock this up, there is a knob right here that lets me do that so I could get this to not spin if I needed to. In this case, I do want it to spin. The bow is mounted on a screw truck and on the face of the bowl, I've set that up so I can engage with my drive center. So I'm gonna drive this whole assembly from the head. And the way to think about this now is that this is going to be the bottom of my bowl. This is going to be the top of my bow. So I'm going to do some rounding, I'm going to do some shaping and then eventually we're going to flip this whole thing around. So here's where we're at outside is pretty well shaped. What I'm gonna do now is I'm gonna use this lock in order to lock up the tail stack because I don't want it to turn. What I'm going to do is bore with the forester bit in order to create the recess for the chuck, you'll see all this come together. Now I'm ready to turn the whole system around. So what we can do here is tail stock is still locked and through the magic of tails spinner, we change from this end to this end. You come off my screw truck, get on my jaws and now we're in a spot you recognize from conventional turning and at this point I can come back in and start hollowing. So the thing with tails spinner is that once this is in your shop, you're going to see more and more applications where you can take advantage of what the tail spinner does. So cool product from Penn State. Cool addition to the lathe. Yeah. When I saw this, this is so different, you know, when's the last time you saw it, like the last big change on a lathe was, was electronic variable speed. Um, so innovations in the turning world, you just don't see all that much stuff happening. Put me in kind of a tailspin. I got like three good ones in a row. So I think, you know, we've thought of a couple cool applications of this. I, I'd be interested to see if anyone has any additional, uh, thoughts on how they would use something like this. It'd be, it'd be very fun to hear from other turners. Um They're probably doing some work around now to make this happen. Um But yeah, if they had access to this, what would you do? So it does happen to be power carving month as we speak. Um, which is pretty cool. And, um, I've said a few times now since I've had the Arbor Tech system in my shop. Um, you and I are both avid bolt turners, which is fun. You put them on the la. They go around this, my new form of bolt turning with the power carver. I have really, really come to enjoy and the marriage between the turbo plane which takes out a lot of material and then the um detail that you can get from the precision carving system. Um, and then throw the sanding head in there to clean your work up. Um One spot that actually used a lot. I don't know if I ever told you this. Um But when I was saying in the outside of the cedar strip canoe, um, about 98% of that sanding got done with this tool because the dust collection on it is so good and it's a hook and loop sanding, set up so I could easily change from grip to grip. So, um one of the things when we were putting this together that I thought would be cool would be you and I have talked about river tables a lot and the, the very traditional way um If it, if it's traditional, yeah, I don't know. It's too early to be traditional. The very standard way to do that is a slab and a slab and you pour a big river of epoxy between the two and I thought it'd be kind of cool just to take a nice slab and turn it into a river. So a little out of the box thinking well, it is and, and so as cool as river tables are, I don't think I would ever make one the, as you call the traditional way, the, the, the setup involved in that the cost of all that resin this, this makes it uh to me it makes it more uh you know, accessible. Well, there's a neat creative aspect to this. So you'll, you'll see how this happened in a minute. Um But the bottom line is, it's a slab onto which I drew a river. Um and then I just started hollowing and when it looked river enough, if that's the word, then I stopped and poured epoxy in there. Um So enough talking, let's, let's see how that river ran through it. Power carving has become one of my favorite things to do. And what I like about it is that you're not limited to turning around bowl and you can do any shape you want here. It's very, very organic. Now, in this case, I'm not going to do a bowl. I've got an idea. I'm going to use the Arbor Tech system here, the turbo plane and the precision carving system to make a river table. The way I'm going to make a river table is first thing I'm going to do is make a river. So I'm working in a white oak slab and I am going to sketch out a river. Now, what I'm gonna try to do right at this nat is make an island. I'm gonna leave that alone. I'm gonna bring this bank out a little. So I'm gonna treat this the same way. I'm gonna do this excavating same way as a conventional river table. I'm gonna excavate this out and then we're gonna pour epoxy in there to make it into a river table. So I'm gonna start with the turbo plane and one of the things I really like about this setup is I can put dust collection on it. Power carving can be dusty So I'm gonna run dust collection on this and I am hoping to take away everything that doesn't look like a river. I've done as much as I can do with the turbo plane. And now I have changed to this great ball carver. If you want the bottom of whatever you're doing to be perfectly flat. I could have gotten this flatter with the turbo plane and then we can take the turbo plane off and add a hook and loop sanding disk. So we could really even that surface out. What I want to do is detail areas that I couldn't get into with the turbo plane and that's where the precision carver is going to come into play. So I'm going to keep working along the river bank. I'm just trying to define that a little bit more. Then I got to use this to come around the island here or one of the other small cutters so that I can define this and it'll stand out when I pour the river. Now I'm going to go back to the ball and finish detailing around my island. Oh, I really like how this looks. A river runs through it with my little island in the middle. Next step, little epoxy work. First step penetrating epoxy, it's gonna soak into the wood, help prevent bubbles after this is dry. Then I'll do the river port. Now we watch glue dry, got my epoxy mixed to pour this and part of what I was after was just a little suggestion of color in this. I love the texture that was left in the bottom of the river here by the turbo plane and the ball carver. And I wanna make sure we can see that. I added a little bit of a on that I happen to have here. So in the epoxy, I've got pigment and then I love this that's coming from a little touch of Mica powder. I love it. Gonna let that cure, clean it up. It's gonna be a beautiful little river table. So you folks did not get a chance to see this in its current shape condition. Um Cause last you saw, I had just poured the epoxy and then after that cleaned it up, done. So I did some sanding. I got a coat of finish on there. And man, do I love how that thing looks? Now, one of the details that I really like that came out of this, that I it's like the thing I had the most fun with was when I had the ball carve around and you just saw this on the video and I was working my way through the river bank there and creating intentionally creating that very irregular edge because that's what a river bank looks like. So I think, I think the big trout is right there under the bank. Um So it was just neat to, to be able to use the system to put that level of detail in and just play with it well, and not only the edge but the contoured bottom. Yeah. You know, it's just, it just adds such a depth to it. Yeah, I think one of the things with our studio lights in here today, you may not quite be getting um what Paul and I can see here but the, the bottom undulates like crazy from the turbo plane and the, and the carving system and that's the way a river looks, you know, it's uh it's kind of like the water flowing over it. That creates that pattern in the sand. That's really what it looks like on the bottom there. It was very, there's a really neat way to make a river table. Yeah, I would argue. That's a better way to make a river table. That's a next level river table. Thank you. Well, Captain, we have a few Preguntas. We have a few questions that we need to um circle back to. So let me, let me get to the right spot. So Bill asks, uh we're back to the forest bits. Are there extensions for deeper cuts? So whether Bora makes one or not, I'm not sure off the top of my head. Um There are forester bit extensions that would let you go beyond the length of the bit. Yes, indeed. It's universal. Yeah. And it's a standard thing in my, there's one in my drawer. You know, there's a, it's a standard thing in my arsenal and I think too, like what we were showing on the lathe there. Um, if we were drilling a pepper mill you need an extension because you, you've got to have that opportunity to go further. Um, Thomas says best way to sharpen Forester boots. What do you, what's your approach to dull stuff? Yeah. Well, best thing is to just buy them. So they're gonna last a long time without needing to. But so I've followed the, the instruction on WWGO. A actually I bought a little kit with the tiny little files and go in there and it has worked great. Um, same. Um, and one thing with cutting tools, you know, if you've got any question about your ability to effectively sharpen, there are sharpening services that will the same sharpening service that sharpens your router bits and Cirka blades is going to be able to sharpen your for. Agree. And I think what for me, the big lesson learned in sharpening those was it, it, it actually, I, I thought, well, if it's not perfect, it's not gonna work. And I think it probably, I probably never got it perfect. But one point that I took from your video was make whatever you do, do the same thing, consistency, consistency on each side. And that goes a long way you wanna make sure on a forester bit, um, similar to a router bit. Um, you wanna make sure that those long, um, cutting planes that they create the flat bottom are both cutting consistently. They're both cutting identically. Um, so, yeah, that's a great point is doing the same to both. Yeah. And I think one another lesson learned is, don't be afraid of it. Right. I think I have improved the sharpness every time and I haven't wrecked one in, in sharpening of myself. That a lot. That's good. And you're not like a professional sharpener. You just not paid attention to instructions. I wouldn't say that I've ever gotten it better than it was when it was new. Like I could say that about hand planes and some other things. But it got, it took it from, you know, if it starts out as an A and maybe it's ac minus by the time I, I go to hone it, maybe I can get it up to a B plus, maybe an A minus. Well, you're not turning your forester into a fire starter. Exactly. Yeah, they can get to that point pretty quickly. That's good. Um, this is a question for you. Bill asks, uh, regarding the wood master. Can you use multiple molding heads? So, I have had, I've had this set up on my wood master where you have in some moldings, it'll have a top profile and a bottom profile because not uncommonly kind of relief on the back. Exactly. And it's just, you know, maybe it's just, you know, 40 fives or whatever on each side, a couple of wings. But e, exactly. So to have that side by side, uh, and I've done it not with two molding heads like you were showing there with a molding head. I used the, the planar head. You can also be used to hold molding knives. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I've got the, um, yeah, I've got the car, got the car. Not that one. Don't try to attach them to that one, but with a, with a steel traditional knife, cleaner head, you can take a segment out in the middle and insert a, a molding cutter. You take all the, you take all the knives out and then you, you insert the molding cutters in there and then there are counterweights that you put on the other sides and, and I've done that and so so that you can do, I don't know what you're saying. So you had it like this side of the, I'm gonna say planar head, but it's, the molding is in there. But this side of the unit is cutting the top of the molding. You've, you're already set up to cut the bottom face over here. So you run it, flip it, run it. Exactly. That's crazy efficient. Yep. That's very cool. Um, Jim says he's got a pair of isot tunes. Ear muffs so that the muffs are this style over the ear, um, charging port fell back into the headset thought I'd have to throw them away, but I took out the rechargeable battery and AA batteries fit. So, yeah, I'd, I'd have to look at the owner's manual to double check for sure. But I think in all of the over the ear styles you can choose to, um, use the onboard rechargeable or you can take that out and just put conventional batteries in there. Um HV LP. Question mark. That's the one you brought up. We answered that uh Robert says I've got a few different sets of isot tunes products and love them. I'll sometimes double up wearing my ear buds. So those are the in the ears style with links over the ears style from particularly loud environments like a router and a dust collector combined is louder than just one or the other. We frequently hear 85 decibels as a limit for needing hearing protection while this is true. We also need to be concerned about impact noise greater than 100 and 15 decibels. So, not, not a question. He's just stating um further optimizing what isot tunes has got going there by one in one on. I like that quite a bit. Actually, I have uh you know, I've had, I've had thoughts like, how could you uh kind of beef this up? That's a, that's a really interesting approach. That's a um you, you wouldn't even be able to hear your Children yelling at you at your house. You can nap. Good night, good night sleep. Uh, Eric asks cleaning the spray gun overview, please. And then K kind of the same. Mike says, um, best practice to clean an HV LP sprayer after use water based and oil based. So, um, for me, whatever the solvent is for that product, um, is what I run through the gun just as though I'm spray. So when I'm done with Shellac, the solvent for Shellac is denatured alcohol, whatever Shellac is left goes back in the can I put denatured alcohol in the pot. And then, and then I treat that just as though I'm spraying finish. I connect it to the turbine. Um, and I'm swishing this around to make sure the whole interior of the pot gets cleaned up with that solvent. And it's the same. Um, for me, my top coats, what you're seeing on this and the, uh, river table are water based, um, polyurethanes and then you just chase it with water. So it's kind of even easier because you're not running solvent. Um, in those cases, I'll start with a good rinsing and that gets a lot of the product out of the pot and out of the gun. Um, and then from there, I just spray as though I'm, um, I spray as though I'm spraying it and I, I would just add that. I'm glad that that question was asked because that was a, that was not only a question that I had before I started spraying but a, a concern and I al, I almost had a, an assumption that it was going to be such a hassle to clean and, well, because there's a lot of moving parts there. So it'd be easy to look at that and be like, oh, my God. Yeah, exactly. Do I have to break this down? Right. Every time I use it. Right. And I would say if you're, if you're religious about staying on top of cleaning, um, it's a, it's a long time. Uh, they're not hard to disassemble and they come with the tools to do so. Um, but it's a really long time since I've had to break one down to the guts and do any kind of cleaning besides chasing or so. And part of that is staying on top of it, like if you let catalyze Lacquer cure inside that gun. So I'm not talking about the pot or the tip, but in the workings in here, um, that's gonna be a pain to get out. Um, so you really want to just stay ahead of, um, if you're not gonna use it for a while, get it, clean it. Yeah, that was one of the pleasant surprises for me was if you stay on top of it, how easy that maintenance and cleaning really is. Yeah, a lot of finish has been through this gun already and it still looks pretty, pretty darn clean. It's Shay Norman says, um please say more about your handheld ball grinder machine. Need one, need to know more about choosing a good one. So Armor Tech has a couple of different sizes of um, ball carvers, not grinders. Um And it runs on, it's five eights, right? 58 shaft on an angle grinder, I think. Um But it seems so double check. Um Arbor Tech's website will tell you what they fit on. Um But they simply thread on and then um large diameter, small diameter is just predicated on um what size, you know, what, what level of detail you want. And then the other thing I like in that precision carving system is we did see it in the video. There's the one that looks like a router bit which is just a straight cutter. And um that's a great way if you use it kind of tangentially, you can use it to put details in almost as though you're chip carving. And it also comes with a little drum sander so you can use that to clean up. So, in that precision carving system, there are three different styles of two of them are cutters, one is a sander. Um But then in the ball cutters, um Arbor Tech has got different sizes of those. So, um at the top of the chat roll here, there is a um, a link for every one of the manufacturers that we've talked about and just click on that it'll take you to Arbor Tech's website and you can have a look at those. Um, so just talk for a second while. Um, I reload, I refresh and I look to share more questions. Yeah, I'll just put in one more plug for power carvings. You mentioned that you're big into it and, and it's something that, uh for me it's a uh something that I pull out between projects a lot. So I build a piece of furniture and then it's like, well, I'm gonna start another piece in a week or two weeks and I'll, I'll just pull that out and, you know, maybe I'll carve out a, a dish or something like that. And it's just really fun to just, you know, start out with a slab of wood, maybe something off the firewood pile and, and just kind of let creativity turn it into what it's supposed to be. Well, and it's, it's a lot like turning that way in that with, with flat work furniture making cabinet, making your price, especially if you're building a kitchen like he is, you're, you're dialing into a very specific set of dimensions. This thing has to fit here when you turn a bowl on that Penn State lathe. When you carve with Arbor Tech while you're wearing your isot tunes, hearing protection and getting the dust picked up by the mullet boom arm. And then when you're done, you're gonna spray it with the food. I missed two, I missed two tools there. Um But when you're doing that, the free flow nature, you're really letting the wood tell you what to make. You're not dictating that the material, all the boundaries are removed and you just kind of, it's, it's a good way to relax, I think. Yeah, it gets your, uh, you're, you're away from like the stress side. I hate to say stress and woodworking in the same sentence. But, you know, having to really think really dial in the dimensions, really dial in your cuts. I also like to do it outside. You know, it's, it's, it's one of the activities, woodworking activities that I can take out and, and set up a bench outside and just kind of enjoy the and a fun thing to get. Um if you want to introduce wing to somebody and, and it turning is the same way. It's a great way to get somebody um started because of the free flow nature of it. Like there's no, there's no right or wrong. It's, it's whatever they want to make. All right. Well, we are there, Paul. Um So one a huge thank you to Paul who does such a great job with his knowledge base of augmenting what I know about tools. And he really brings a lot to these showcases that we do. Um A huge thank you to the tool manufacturers who chose to be involved with us here today and participated with us and then of course, a huge thank you to you because if hundreds of you literally weren't watching this live and then thousands of you weren't watching the archive version of these showcases. Um We wouldn't keep doing them and that would be too bad for Paul and I, because we really enjoy doing them. So thanks hugely to everybody who tunes in. And then I'm also gonna say, you know, Paul and I stand here in front of the cameras on the microphones but um Ernie Andres Jeff and Terry are all over there and there are 11 billion moving pieces that make these live streams work. Max is somewhere running the boards behind the scenes. Jess is out there somewhere doing interweb stuff. So there are so many people involved that you don't ever see. Um And in their absence, uh Paul and I wouldn't be getting the questions fed to us. We wouldn't be live right now. There's so again, there's so many moving parts and lots and lots of people involved with wwgo A to make this happen effectively and well, well said, thank you. Thank you. Now, can we get a gin and tonic? Have you seen that a lot? That's it for us. Thanks folks.